Christian Wicca - What do you guys think?

[Aleforge]

I have gotten into some more interesting discussions lately with people claiming to be "Christian Wiccan". On another board one of the moderators wrote up a very lengthy post about how she was one and what it meant to her. Most people started to come forth on the thread stating that after reading the post they felt they were really "Christian" Wiccans also.

Since I am new to all this and learning all I can one thing that has really stuck with me is how much Christianity has tried to snuff out Paganism all together. And although they don't get away with putting pagans on trial and murdering them today they still heavily persecute Pagans and their beliefs. To me its impossible to be both a Christian and Wiccan on every level, and most who claim to be have to heavily modify the belief systems of both to combine them so much so they destroy the very essence of each.

I also have gotten the feeling from some claiming this title that they feel guilty for "not" being a Christian. And possibly like to keep one foot in the door of Christianity while exploring other spiritual paths to make them selves feel better. Or possibly so they can feel they are not going against those around them, at least completely.

Its a confusing term and one I am interested in hearing others opinions on.


Thanks guys!

[Mysterious573]

I have heard some odd titles, but I have never heard that before.In my mind I really can not figure out how this works. It is like calling salt pepper, it just isn't possible.

On one hand you have a monotheistic religion and the on the other a polytheistic religion. There is no comperism you can come up with. I agree I think people do feel slightly ashamed to turn their back on something that has been so domaint in their life and the world around them. I think a more suitable term for people like this is Spiritual Christain. That seems to make a bit more sense.

As for people that do do this, I really think they are afraid. Afraid of being different and of being judged just by what they believe. I think that is really sad that we live in a world that is so eager to commend you just for having differing beliefs and thoughts.

[Aleforge]

I had many of the conclusions that you just pointed out. I posted many thoughtful questions on the topic and was as respectful as possible. However not one person ever responded, or attempted to make sense out of it for me.

I have yet to see this term used anywhere else, so maybe its just a fluke thing.

[Silverm00n]

Technically this term is an oxymoron. The two beliefs are incompatible on every level. However, if you look at it from a Wiccan point of view, you are basically free to adapt to whatever suits you, or is that just Paganism? But in this case I can see a Wiccan adapting some aspects of the Christian religion, not really the other way around. Unless, as you guys pointed out, they do not want to fully let go of their previous beliefs for a whole new one. Either way, Paganism allows for openess and so it's very possible to be both. Though if it were me, I wouldn't be able to be part of such an open religion and a closed one at the same time.

[Lotus]

Very intriguing topic.....

[Gregoriose]

I used to be Christian. I went to church for years. I don't regret being a Christian. Its part of my past and I wouldn't be me with out it. I learned what it meant to be a Christian. But then when I stepped out into the world I realized what it meant to be a Christian. I remember the time and learn from it. When I was a Christian I was told about how all these other people and religions would persecute Christians and how awful it is for Christians. It was a pity party in a sense. Of course I learned how awful pagans supposedly where. I knew some wiccans in school and it seemed odd that they weren't all that bad. Of course I was always nice so I could "help" (convert) them. That’s something I learned fast about Christianity; "help" means "convert". Today a Christian was trying to convert me. A friendly reminder that they want to help me. Really though why I got out of Christianity was because I missed my self-esteem. I'd say no "christian Wicca" doesn’t work. To be Wicca and have it work for you legitimately you need to have self esteem. Christianity from my experience is founded on the idea of hiding the idea that you need to work on your self esteem from your self. Which I think is why Christianity as worked so well. It’s a lot harder to work on it than it is to hide the fact and that’s what Christianity offers. And then of course not to mention the burning times. Ask a pastor to give a sermon on that.

[mistress_tiffrz]

I had many of the conclusions that you just pointed out. I posted many thoughtful questions on the topic and was as respectful as possible. However not one person ever responded, or attempted to make sense out of it for me.

I have yet to see this term used anywhere else, so maybe its just a fluke thing.

I have heard that term before, in different books on Paganism and Wicca. It was mentioned when the authors mentioned different traditions of Wicca.

[Aleforge]

I have come across it more since my OP. However for the most part its fairly taboo and makes almost no sense. I have also proposed the question on my local yahoo groups and mailing lists and found most people unaccepting of the idea. However each to their own, whatever makes them happy!

[Velvet_Rose]

i always figured Christianity and Wicca were mutually exclusive. I suppose you could take pieces from each and suite them to your own belief system, but I get the feeling that would be seen as a perversion by the church.

[Bleurenee]

Christian witch, maybe....I kind of agree that Christian Wiccan is a oxy.:banghead:

[Draken373]

okay so let me get this right, granted im still learning. Your saying because the christian people we're killing witches a long time ago, and in secret today. That its not possible for a Pagen to worship the christain god, when i was tought that it was all around possible for it to be done. I mean i understand why in some aspects but someone shed some light for this young student?

[CelestialWolf]

I am fairly new in this religion too, but back when I was struggeling with the idea that I might actually be Wiccan as opposed to a christian I tried to see if the two were compatable. I felt guilty that I was no longer following the christian path (like god was going to smite me on the spot!). I now see that it is possible to take certain aspects from christian religion, but it doesn't all fit neatly like a square peg in a square hole. It is more like a square peg in a round hole....some of the peg can be pushed through, but there is no way you can get the whole peg through to the other side.

Again, I am new here too, but the thing that I find the most interesting is how the christian religion (the newer religion, I might add) has taken certain aspects from pagan religions. From what I have read, the eggs at Easter really are from pagan roots. And at Christmas (yule tide greetings) really is pagan too. Prayer in itself is a form of magic if you really think about it. The question I would ask at this Christian forum is, "why, if being pagan is so evil, would you incorporate our traditions into your religion?"

[Silverm00n]

Ok, let me just say for starters that every religion possible stems from Paganism. You can trace everything back to some form of Paganism. As for being an Xtian witch, the only way to do that is by incorporating some Xtian concepts into witchcraft which you most likely do already, like having a ceremony for worship. The wine, the "body of Christ" which in our case is just food, the incense, the altar, the altar cloth. It's all already there. If you think of every religion and what they call their God and just sum it up to the fact that it's all the same thing just by different names. Xtianity likes to keep it simple. They say that there is only one God and technically refer to it as masculine. But if you notice, the Catholics do a lot of Mary worship. This is because back in the day when it was either convert of die, they had a lot of push back from the Pagans, and so Mary is their version of a Goddess and all of their "holidays" are actually taken from Pagans and just renamed so that more people would convert. So when you notice that Easter is actually Oestera and Xmas is actually Yule or the Winter Solstice, the dates are just off by a day or two. Less slaughtering that way. I think it's important to remember that every religion has been persecuted, not just us. Xtians were slaughtered too.

Celestial, I like your analogy of square peg round hole. I also understand the guilt you feel. I felt the same way. But it's important to remember that whatever you call it, it's all the same. The way I see things is: take every God and Goddess and wrap it all into one. That is the Divine.

Draken, I hope this helps!

[Squiver]

I do certainly believe that it is possible to be a Christian Wiccan. Much Wiccan philosophy does say that "In the beginning there was The One, and for the Earth and it's inhabitants, he created the Feminine and the Masculine."

If you are to believe that the Sun, the Moon, and the Earth are inherently divine as created by God (or "The One", it's different labels for the same thing), and that gender is a divine seperation, then the two religions are certainly compatible with one another, as long as you are willing to keep an open mind about what is sacred.

Lastly, there is nothing in the Wiccan tradition to suggest that Jesus Christ was not a divine individual, and certainly there are very few who protest that most of what he said is certainly true and just.

I also felt guilty in two directions for converting, but some soul searching led me to realize that it is compatible. I felt guilty for betraying my husband's desire for me to eventually accept conservative Christianity into my life, and I felt guilty to my prior belief that science and athiesm were the only real truths. But I found after a while that not only could I technically say that Wicca was compatable with Christianity, it also, in an ethereal way, was compatible with science and solid schools of thought. As for athiesm, well, I have found that after I accepted Wicca, my life became much more whole. If that's not deity in itself, I'm not sure what is.

[Moonstruck]

Wiccans and Christians have quite a bit of conflict going on, mostly because of history (Salem Witches and such) so it will take a while for them to work side by side. Seeing as most of them think we are devil worshippers and so on, they're not ready to be with us... :D

[Watermage90]

I was actually going to post something on this sort of topic. Is it possible to balance Wiccan beliefs with Christian ones? I have a few friends that say yes and I've heard people say no. Here's my take on it. It's difficult but not impossible. When you think about it Wiccans believe in the All. Christians believe in the all powerful God. I believe that the All can represent God and the other Deities are just the vessels the All uses to do his work. Another point that I feel can tie the two together is that Christians believe that God created the earth. All Wiccan Magick is earth based. That is how I balance out my beliefs. I don't feel that it's wrong to be a little bit of both. The reason I'm so much closer to Wicca is that there are things that I strongly disagree with in churches and Christianity in general. But I still hold some of my beliefs from my Christian roots. Hope that helps a little. :)

[Gwenyfur]

coming from a christian background maybe I can be a bit too cut and dried...but

fence riding can make one sore...and removing the fence or line between paganism and Christianity is to remove the essence of each...

the structure of the church (without which it collapses)
and the freedom of Paganism (without which it's pointless)

without either or... you wind up empty handed and unfulfilled...

[Mab]

Hope I don't offend anyone and don't want to start arguments. Without starting a lot of disagreement - I have to agree with Gwen. I was raised Catholic, then Presbyterian and for over 30 years went to church (not often) to look good and it was easier than arguing not to be Christian, but the belief in God and Jesus wasn't there.

The Bible is a very violent book, and God wouldn't allow that, nor all the cruelty that is going on in the world. Do we have choices, yes. But we're supposed to be created in his image, so he wasn't perfect. There are so many argumentable (is that a word?) points that it just boggles the mind.

For right now, I'm content being a solitary Wiccan practitioner where nobody puts me down for not going to church, and I believe in nature not devils and summerland not hell. That's my opinion and I've got lots... Mab

[Watermage90]

Begging pardon...i meant no offense. I don't mean to say that 'fence riding' is the answer, i only meant that for those who feel that they are able to balance those beliefs it is a way to rationalize it. I feel that it is right for me to try and balance my beliefs and this is how i look at it. Not everyone feels comfortable doing so. I know many people who think that it has to be one way or another. My personal belief is that if religion is supposed to be about peace and love then why can we NOT mix the beliefs. This is my own preference and you may choose to agree or disagree depending on your own. Again...no offense was meant and i appologize if i did happen to offend.

Blessed be

[Mab]

Opinions always wanted here, no argument on my part, just expressing myself... Mab

[Gwenyfur]

same here...just expressing myself :)

hope I didn't step on your toes either...

I should come with a warning label sometimes: "Blunt as a Sledgehammer"

[Watermage90]

No harm no foul...We're all entitled to our opinions. :)

[Moondancer]

So I think it is pretty safe to say you have Wiccan/Pagan who worship their Gods and Goddess but do believe that Jesus Christ exist.. Do I classify myself Christian/Wiccan? No.. Do I believe in Jesus Christ? Yes..

[Watermage90]

My personal opinion of Christian religions is that they are hypocritical in the respect that they preach love and peace but then start wars over which is the right path to God. I truly believe that God loves all his children and would not condemn them for mistakes...i.e.-homosexuality, premarital sex etc. This is why i am much more in tune with Wiccan beliefs. However, if all religions have the goal of bettering man kind, there is no reason to not be able to co-exist or even to cross beliefs in lieu of creating a whole new religion. This is just my personal belief.

[Vakuur Bairn]

In my opinion, those who follow the christ-child are a mind boggling paradox. They can both praise their Deity and speak of his most terrible traits in the same breath. "If you believe in my God he will bless you with a mansion in the afterlife and if you dont he will cast you into a pit of never ending fire!" LOL, every time I think of it it makes me laugh! Too, I refuse to believe in a god whose followers use terrorism to make their children, friends and neighbors believe in their deity. Begging everyones pardon in saying such too, but when you scare a child to their living lifeforce, force this belief system on them and brain wash them by telling them that if they do not love and believe in this Deity for their entire waking life, living by his docturine (as dictated by a 'living conduit' lol) then this same Deity (that is supposed to be all loving and merciful) will banish you to a pit of never ending fire for all eternity (LOL), to the point that this child (which shouldnt even have a real concept of spirituality or even concious choice in his own spiritual beliefs till at least 14) weeps and begs for this Deities 'mercy', I call it terrorism. And Gods curse you if you every try to impartially discuss the hypocricies of their teachings and churches past actions lol!
All in all, I think though that taking the christ-child into a pagan pantheon would be no different then doing so with any other pantheon, i.e. Egyptian, Norse, Greek, etc. I for one, however, would never welcome the blessing of one, pagan or not, who uses the christ-child as a Deity, no offence intended.

[Gwenyfur]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Vakuur Bairn again.

[Watermage90]

The God and "Christ Child" are not the issue. It is the twists and misconstrued concepts that man has created about the All Mighty that creates the issue. The concept of religion itself is the problem. God is what we make Him. He is something for us to believe in as a way to help ourselves through tough times and hardship. I agree that christians use God's wrath as a weapon. I don't believe however that God would condem his children for choosing one path over another. As long as you live your life the right way you will be blessed by whatever God you choose to believe in. God is supposed to represent love and peace and yet we wage war over the right way to get to him. As far as i'm concerned, screw the boundries that man has laid down as "religion" and love one another for who we are...not the God we believe in.

[SwiftHourglass]

its an oxy because you can be a mono and poly worshiper. and isnt a scripture like the christian god is a jealous god or something? and the priests in the bible called pagans HEATHENS... so no if your claiming to be christian AND pagan do some soul searching and choose the path your heart leads you to.
Blessed Be

[Gwenyfur]

yes...
Exodus 20 contains the 10 commandments (which actually grew into something like 347 if memory serves) anyhow...the quote would be:
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Though...with visiting 3rd and 4th generations I'm not seeing the "mercy"

but that's just me...

[Watermage90]

Answer for me the following question then. Pagans are polytheistic correct? There is the All and under the All are the patheons of Gods and Goddesses. So why can you not call the All God and look at the patheons as the vesels that the All or "God" uses to do his work? I don't worship God as a patheon. But i do believe he exists. The All and God are one in the same in my eyes. Maybe this stems from being brought up in a home that was Christian (more specifically Seventh Day Adventist.) but I consider myself Christian/Wiccan and feel completely comfortable with balancing my beliefs the way I do. I don't expect anyone to agree with this point of view. What I do expect is the same respect I would pay anyone else here on their own beliefs. This is what i believe in and it works for me.

[Gwenyfur]

Answer for me the following question then. Pagans are polytheistic correct? There is the All and under the All are the patheons of Gods and Goddesses. So why can you not call the All God and look at the patheons as the vesels that the All or "God" uses to do his work? I don't worship God as a patheon. But i do believe he exists. The All and God are one in the same in my eyes. Maybe this stems from being brought up in a home that was Christian (more specifically Seventh Day Adventist.) but I consider myself Christian/Wiccan and feel completely comfortable with balancing my beliefs the way I do. I don't expect anyone to agree with this point of view. What I do expect is the same respect I would pay anyone else here on their own beliefs. This is what i believe in and it works for me.

Mage, hun, if it works for ya...then it works for ya...

Is it in Acts, Romans or Corinthians that Paul preaches to the Pagans in the temple dedicated to the un-named God...which he named as YAHWEH to them...and taught on creation...

My misspent youth was being raised as a Messianic Jew (Grandmother)(yes...I'm enough of a Jew that I do claim dual citizenship between the USA and Israel) and had a Southern Baptist preacher for a grandfather Sunday school teacher for a mother, and a Wesleyan for a father...

And yet the Goddess found me...so while I have an extensive knowledge of several different christian sects...and considerable knowledge of witchcraft ... I have much more to learn...
And while I'm not what you'd call anti-christian...
I am *extremely* anti-hypocrite... not saying you are one...I just have very black and white lines of what's what...perhaps because of my upbringing...and my interactions with the hypocrites as well who knows...

But as I said...if it works for you...go for it...
I was just clarifying the quote referenced by SHG

[SwiftHourglass]

Thank you for validating my point Gwen :)

[sleeplessghost]

Exodus 22:18

[Watermage90]

That was my whole point. It works for me. Everyone has their own take on religion and how things go. It's human nature. My last post to this thread was more or less targeted at the remark that i needed to do some "soul searching". I am who I am. I feel what I feel and I believe what I believe. I don't believe that the way I balance my beliefs makes me a hypocrit. I feel that they keep me empowered. I apologize if my last post here came off overly pushy and harsh. But i originally posted an opinion on this thread to offer a point of view and then felt almost like i was under attack for doing so. Again I apologize if i offended anyone.

[Gwenyfur]

That was my whole point. It works for me. Everyone has their own take on religion and how things go. It's human nature. My last post to this thread was more or less targeted at the remark that i needed to do some "soul searching". I am who I am. I feel what I feel and I believe what I believe. I don't believe that the way I balance my beliefs makes me a hypocrit. I feel that they keep me empowered. I apologize if my last post here came off overly pushy and harsh. But i originally posted an opinion on this thread to offer a point of view and then felt almost like i was under attack for doing so. Again I apologize if i offended anyone.


If I offended you, I apologize again...

I will admit again a certain....sensitivity... when it comes to christianity, those who claim to follow it...and yet show no "fear and trembling" for their god and his laws...

one of these days that sensitivity may mellow...but I admit...probably not until my daughter is old enough to discern between the truth of the heart and "truth" of people's actions...

if ya know what I mean ;)

[Watermage90]

I do Gwen...that's kind of what i meant when i said God is what we make him. As far as i'm concerned the bible is written by man and despite the fact that it is supposed to be the 'voice of God', well...man is not a completely reliable source. Man lies to bring others to follow him on account of the fact that alone man is week and afraid. I do not believe that the image of God christians use to scare others into following their ways is really what God is. I believe God lives in all things and loves all creations. This is what i believe gives me the ability to blend the two. My belief in what christians portray God to be..."the symbol of love and peace"...and leaving behind the image of God they use as a weapon..."the vengeful, jelous God". Why would you want to put your faith in any God who would condem you for making mistakes that are perfectly human. Picture if you will a God who loves everything He has created and lives with in all of nature and the world and then ask yourself if it is so wrong to think of that God and the All as one and the same. That is my perspective. Christians use their God to put the fear into their followers...to scare them into living their lives the "right way". But is there truly a right way when human nature is to make mistakes. Mistakes are to be learned from, not to be condemned for. Does that make any kind of sense?

Blesssed Be
:circle:

[Mab]

The Christian faith is a very confusing religion. If we are to be godlike, he is a jealous god, then why does he allow things to happen that he commands against. He knows all, but we have choices, we are to follow Christ to come to him, but he is one and then there is also the holy spirit. I still don't understand it and don't know why I followed it for so long. Now I feel at ease, peace and contented where I am. I love learning and studying. I'm happy and that was one thing I wasn't when I was impressing other Christians. I'm not downing it as a religion, because everyone has the right to follow the religion of their choice... Mab

[Blade FoxHollow]

Unless I am mistaken this is what is known as an Oxymoron in the english language. A paradox. It is not possible to be of two oppisite religions and thus poof you have your own.

This is One of the few issues I will completely fight until the ends of time. Even though the rule is harm none. Beat the next persons arse that says that to you. It is completely contradictory.

Tis my take on this.

Blade.

[jader]

This post has got me thinking took me awhile to word this reply so here goes.

I was raised for as long as i can remember that christianity should be a relationship not a religion. In my 10 years in the church I began to realize that not everyone thinks that way. For most Christianity is all about religion. It didnt take me long after I got out of the church to figure this out. I always knew something felt wrong. So i say this to let yall know where i am coming from with my opinion.

I feel if you make Christianity all about the relationship with you and God then yes you can be a Christian and be another religion. I myself believe the beliefs of many different religions if I need to put a label on it I call myself a New Age Christian. But this is just how i feel I think it all depends on the individual.

[Mab]

Put very well, jader. I agree, I do think that we all believe in deity of some sort, but I think with time, the ideal of that deity is what changes as we grow and learn and interact with other people and their different way of believing. Hope that made sense... Mab

[Isolde]

Wow, nice answer Jader. This thread has actually been eating at me too, a little bit, with the number of people who say that it's not a possible path... I mean, who are we to say someone else's path is not possible/valid/sensible? Doesn't that make us the same as religions that insist theirs is the only possibility? Saying "all paths are valid... except that one." seems to me to be about the same thing.

I think if I a person feels that is their path, and they feel like it is a consistent path, then I don't think I've got any ground to judge them from at all. Looking from the outside, lots of people would think my beliefs are contradictory or nonsensical. I'm not going to turn that around on someone else, I guess.

[AbbieJune]

I know this thread is a little bit old, but I was interested in the topic. I'm not a Christian by any stretch, but I found reading this website quite interesting, and it cleared up a lot of questions I would have asked about issues that would arise in my mind about combining Christianity and Wicca.

Check it out! (http://www.religioustolerance.org/witchcr5.htm)

[Watermage90]

I think if I a person feels that is their path, and they feel like it is a consistent path, then I don't think I've got any ground to judge them from at all. Looking from the outside, lots of people would think my beliefs are contradictory or nonsensical. I'm not going to turn that around on someone else, I guess.

I couldn't have said it better myself. Reguardless of what religion you follow or what your beliefs are one thing that follows through all of them is that sense of kindness toward others. The "Tri Fold Law", "The Golden Rule" etc. They all say the same thing in a certain sense. You don't want to do bad things or someday it will turn around and bite you. So what difference does it make what path you choose? As long as you live and love with all you have there is nothing to fear. I know I just went on a bit of a rant but I have declined saying anything on this thread for a while so it all kind of just spilled out at once.

[gabrielle004]

Since I am new to all this and learning all I can one thing that has really stuck with me is how much Christianity has tried to snuff out Paganism all together. And although they don't get away with putting pagans on trial and murdering them today they still heavily persecute Pagans and their beliefs. To me its impossible to be both a Christian and Wiccan on every level, and most who claim to be have to heavily modify the belief systems of both to combine them so much so they destroy the very essence of each.

I also have gotten the feeling from some claiming this title that they feel guilty for "not" being a Christian. And possibly like to keep one foot in the door of Christianity while exploring other spiritual paths to make them selves feel better. Or possibly so they can feel they are not going against those around them, at least completely.

Its a confusing term and one I am interested in hearing others opinions on.


Thanks guys!

Okay, I agree with you on these parts. I was raised Roman Catholic, which is from what I understand, the most strict. So, coming from my background, I don't understand how you can be a Christian Wiccan when you're breaking the first Commandment of "thou shall not have other gods besides me".

From a Wiccan point of view I can see how Jesus represents the God, and Mary represents the Goddess and God is seen as the all (This is what I've gathered from what I've read online on the topic), but from the Christain/Catholic point of view, I just don't see how it works. Christians believe in the holy trinity which is God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. There is no female aspect, and to me that's just like you're Wiccan but only acknowledge the Goddess, not the God. I believe both are equal and necessary in Wicca, just my honest opinion.

So all in all, I kind of get where people are going with this but at the same time I agree with you that they are just trying to keep one foot in the Christian door just in case the Wiccan door slaps them in the face. I think that people are scared of the unknown and it's hard to completely leave something that they were raised to believe as true.

[witchcraft595]

i remember reading something about that the author said no and i think so to u cant put two conflicting religions together and expect it to work

[Alexandria]

u cant put two conflicting religions together and expect it to work

And yet, there are people who do this and it does work for them. I think that's all that really matters... If someone wants to combine these two religions in a way that works for them, and they find meaning in it... well, why should I care? People have more reasons to combine these than just fear, they may be genuinely benefiting spiritually from their personal mix. If it works, then it works, even if it seems odd to a lot of people.

[Thebs]

In my mind the two religions are not compatible. That is not to say that some one can't be a Christian wicca, one can be what ever one sets ones mind to. But I have been taught that to be Christian you believe:

There is only one God.
Jesus was his son and he was born and died do save us from our sins.
Jesus died and was resurrected on the third day.
Jesus then ascended to heaven to sit on Gods right hand side until the end of time.

The first one I can see how one might see the god and the goddess as different sides of the one God.
But I cant see how Jesus fits in to wiccan beliefs. As a wicca I don't believe that anyone have to come to earth to die for my sins. As a wicca I don't believe in sin in that way. I believe in good and in bad but there is a world of difference between that and sin. And if you take Jesus out of the equation isn't it more like Judaism?

But as I said, just because I can't wrap my head around it doesn't mean that there isn't someone smarter out there that sees the flaw in my reasoning.

[Vigdisdotter]

i remember reading something about that the author said no and i think so to u cant put two conflicting religions together and expect it to work

Sure you can. It just takes work and the end result is something new, not a branch of either.

[Alexandria]

But I have been taught that to be Christian you believe

Most Christian-Wiccans or Christo-pagans I've met don't take the most literal of the view of the bible and have such strict beliefs.

That said, it's not really a new concept to do this either. Various "pagans" have been mixing their faith with Christianity... well, almost since the start of Christianity, for various reasons. An example is early Christian Ireland. Sure it didn't always mix well and sometimes caused problems, but a lot of pagan traditions were pulled into and mixed with Christianity too. So it's not too hard to see how someone could blend the two with some success, if they wished to do it.

[Ssophia]

I am a christian witch, and yes, it seems that christian wicca, or as i like to call it, "Chricca" is phony.

Its sort of impossible to be that.

however i do believe in jesus... other than that im not even really a christian.
Just wiccan :)

[Ssophia]

Most Christian-Wiccans or Christo-pagans I've met don't take the most literal of the view of the bible and have such strict beliefs.

That said, it's not really a new concept to do this either. Various "pagans" have been mixing their faith with Christianity... well, almost since the start of Christianity, for various reasons. An example is early Christian Ireland. Sure it didn't always mix well and sometimes caused problems, but a lot of pagan traditions were pulled into and mixed with Christianity too. So it's not too hard to see how someone could blend the two with some success, if they wished to do it.

I strongly agree with this, you just enlightened me

[Nameless]

I think the first reconciliation is simple enough. If you said, "Jesus died for my sins so I am going to do what I want because I am clean no matter what." Then you could worship any way you pleased.

The second reconciliation is more complicated, but basically you don't interpret everything from the Bible exactly.

I like the third possible reconciliation where you say, "Well, Abraham's God is pretty paradoxical and irrational. He seems to exibit traits of multiple personality syndrome. Maybe s/he is some manifestation of many gods. S/he could very well be Jung's over-mind of God/Goddesses."

Reconciliation four is also interesting where you say, "The breakdown of the trinity is some paradox of God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. Let us believe in this paradox and break God down into a, octinity (8)? Cenntinity (100)? (Seriously, why do we have to be logical about this? What if I don't believe in the basic laws of logic, or I think the realm of logic is limited anyway.)

I am out of ideas but what do you think of these ideas?

[White Fox]

Well I'm an Wiccan Agnostic Theist.

Similar to a Christo-pagan. I believe in a single God. I do not, however, believe in an organized religion. I just believe there is a God, every race/culture wants that God to be something different, but I don't believe that God is male or female. I believe it's something like a humanoid figure of white light, not a white guy with a beard.

Wiccan purposes describes the color white as being immensely pure and powerful and asexual.

Thats why I relate the color white to God. But anyway, it's not hard to mix the two religions. Infact, it makes tons of sense to me. Since I was raised Christian for the 1st 14 years of my life, I still have the idea of a single god firmly hammered into me.

[Lunacie]

Well I'm an Wiccan Agnostic Theist.

Similar to a Christo-pagan. I believe in a single God. I do not, however, believe in an organized religion. I just believe there is a God, every race/culture wants that God to be something different, but I don't believe that God is male or female. I believe it's something like a humanoid figure of white light, not a white guy with a beard.

Wiccan purposes describes the color white as being immensely pure and powerful and asexual.

Thats why I relate the color white to God. But anyway, it's not hard to mix the two religions. Infact, it makes tons of sense to me. Since I was raised Christian for the 1st 14 years of my life, I still have the idea of a single god firmly hammered into me.

Wicca is a religion, but it's not an organised religion.

Hm, I don't think I've ever seen any colors related to a particular sexuality (gender), other than the social notion in my youth that girls ride blue bikes and boys ride red bikes.